Tier Lists
This was originally created by "False Answer"
Hi there, I am someone with too much free time, so this thread will be a dedicated tier lists that will hopefully be updated frequently.
In order to keep the design as human as possible, I am going to make 3 tier lists each time there is an update:
1 for general pvp (Arena, Supreme Dominion, Nationwide Lineup, etc)
1 for pve (Towers, Nationwide, etc)
And 1 for pure damage race (Hulao, Boss events, etc)
I will state what was released that update. Outdated tier lists will (hopefully) be moved to some kind of archive.
PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT TIER LIST:
Despite being called a "whale" tier list, this is just the currently most effective characters very late into the game where people have finalized their comp, beasts, and other nonsense. You can absolutely follow this list even if you are f2p or a low spender, just not as effectively since you'll be at a severe disadvantage without Martial Soul or certain beasts/metallic beasts' help
For October 29th, 2024
Most recent release: Immortal Zhuge Liang
October 31st, 2024
Most recent release:
Chongming ~~Bad~~ Bird
2 Exclusive Unparalleled strategems.
Changes to tier list: None
For PvP:
For PVP.
For PvE:
For PVE.
For high damage
For high damage
Notable characters:
Demon Huang Zhong:
People are always quick to call him bad (which is generally true) but in the current meta, he has the ability to lock everyone down since CC immune is conditional and/or limited.
Demon Lu Bu:
Despite being generally seen as mid by most, Demon Lu Bu decimates entire team just by existing since hitting him once or twice at an unfortunate moment (after behemoth is over) might mean that your entire team is wiped. People tends to forget that Demon Lu Bu basic attacks are heavily amplified by his Divine passive and the yellow mechanical beast Earth Tiger so he hits almost as hard as Zhang Liao while getting to use skills and benefitting from Skill Damage boost (Empyrean General).
Demon Zhao Yun:
He is usually a victim of awakened Zhulong until the end of the fight. Works great and is most certainly the strongest cary otherwise.
Xu Sheng:
He stuns entire team. That's it.
This would be the tier list if Heroic Souls at max levels are included
This would be the tier list if Heroic Souls at max levels are included
For November 7, 2024:
Most recently released:
Immortal Sun Ce
Immortal Support Function
Unleashing the Ice Dragon Beast
Adding Zhong Hui to the summon pull/selection Boxes
You already know Imt Sun Ce is being placed high for the lists
Tier Lists:
For PVP:
For PVP.
For PVE;
for PVE.
For pure damage:
for pure damage.
With Heroic Souls taken into account:
With Heroic Souls taken into account:
Notable Characters:
Immortal Sun Ce: Literally another reason why Blessing Strategem is a must. Has an effective kit that just so happens to synergize quite well with EVERY SINGLE TEAM he goes on, especially burn team or just a team with IMT Xiao Qiao.
People's main concerns about him are 3 main things:
1. He does not stack fast enough.
2. Zhulong being a bitch
3. Does he work in my specific team over ***insert character here***?
Well, I'm glad to say that for some reasons (good or bad depending on you), IMT Sun Ce stacks INSANELY fast
In 1 turn, he managed to go from 10 stacks to 81 True Fire stacks with 1 enemy being borrowed by Zhulong. Without Zhulong there, it would have been 100 stacks from turn 1
He can also ignite IMT Xiao Qiao Divine Flame where as normal bum ass fraud Sun Ce cannot so he'll quite literally work in every single team comp with her in it (99.4% of them).
Nothing can be done about Zhulong though. Unless we spread some propaganda about Zhulong being bad so people stop running it, there is currently no counter to that fraud ass dragon
So after a few days of absolute nonsense going on, I have noticed that the introduction of the new IMT Beast Empyrean Dragon has absolutely shaken the meta to its core, and that will be reflected in the upcoming tier list for the current patch. It will be hella controversial but it is expected at this point.
It's apparent that Wukong is broken and the next tier list will reflect that with more detailed explanation. For now just have this simple tier list as a placeholder
Well, imt Zhang Fei was released and... not much changed.
Demon Lu Bu is still a top tier solid pick. However, the fact that his ms5 and wukong's ms5 costs the same isn't helping the guy a little bit
Imt Zhuge Liang is gimped hard by the Empyrean Dragon's Divine Soul and the overall availability of anti-heal so he stays in SS tier
Nüwa is released upon the landscape and she's... surprisingly good!
Nüwa is a strictly defensive option, which makes her not worth it for those still relying on Blessing mainly. However, the moment your opponent fails to break your Nuwa shield, it's Nuwöever for them because it will ~~harden in response to trauma~~ regenerate and become EVEN STRONGER. Essentially, she is a nano-machines injecting menace who for some odd reason can ignore enpyrean dragon and can even function AFTER she dies at ms5.
Pangu is released officially today at 00:00 GMT +7 12/20/2024. The tier list has slight changes that may or may not be supremely controversial and opinion based. Right now just have this tier list WITHOUT Pangu first
Apparently, people are now giving up Guan Yu strategem in favor of more flashy and wordy Exclusive Strategems, relying on the worst scourge to have ever surfaced (levitated?) this game: Empyrean Dragon to keep the battlefield free of Invincible shields from the likes of Imt Xiao Qiao and Demon ~~Bum Ass~~ Zhang Fei. This has resulted in fights lasting all 20 turns thanks to Imt Xiao Qiao just getting off a skill every now and then when the Dragon Debuff isn't in effect. Wukong, however, doesn't really care for this mechanic as he just does his own things
After 1 day of non-stop testing, I can conclude that as of right now, Pangu is the biggest difference maker in the game right now. PLEASE READ THE EXPLANATION BELOW THE LIST BEFORE YOU EXPRESS YOUR DISCONTENT
Remember, this is a WHALE tier list, everything on here is assuming you have what it takes to obtain anything to make your team work
As of right now, Pangu is THE MOST annoying thing to deal with if you don't have your own Pangu. So, how does that work, exactly?
Add 2 more copies on top of that, and you are making sure your local Zhulong is well taken care of
**2 more copies (MS3)**, and that's where the fun (unfun) begins, by allowing you to sponsor someone's trip TWICE, while automatically doxxing them to your other team members! Have fun dealing with that after your Sundering Behemoth takes a break. Spoiler alert: you just die
**At Martial Soul 4**, Pangu is now immune to Exile himself, telling people that it's only funny when silly nonsense happens to other people. He also learns how to be sympathetic with his poor teammates who are CC'ed (Exile included), allowing him to pursuit with a normal attack
This might not appear as significant but this allows for some ridiculous bullshittery to go on BEFORE BEASTS EVEN FINISH GOING OFF TURN 1
Also, this is currently one of 2 conditional pursuit in the game with NO TRIGGER LIMITS! If you can somehow cause your team to be infinitely CC'ed (impossible), Pangu can, in theory, pursuit forever
Imma be honest, I don't know where to place Hou Yi on the tier list. Usually I do testing with a "gauntlet" that I made using people who quit or those who have what I need for testing. The criterias are:
1. Newer players, strategems can be whatever they can whip up
2. A bit more experienced player with fully fledged team and strategems but beasts and M. Beasts are still barely developed
3. Players with good team and strategem but no Sundering Behemoth
4. Vs a Imt Sun Ce burn comp with "optimal" builds
5. Vs DZY pursuit comp with "optimal" builds. I take off Zhulong for this one
6. Vs heavy shielding but no Pangu
7. Vs Pangu team with no Pangu of my own
8. Vs Pangu team with a Pangu of my own
9. Vs the strongest person on the server
10. Solo/Pair testing nonsense
11. Comparing them to other characters in different scenarios
Then I do Hulao testing and Legion Spirit testing to see if the character performs well in any of those scenarios.
And, from what I've seen so far, either I am completely incapable of seeing what usecases Hou Yi has, even for a newer players.
He sucks in every single scenario I can come up with. Heck, even when fighting newer players, Hou Yi is heavily suppressed by the ZHUGE FUCKING LIANG strategem at 1 or even 0 star. He has no attack stacking or buffing on his own and his skill has a pathetic 320% scaling damage. To put into perspective how pathetic that is, Zhang He had a 360% scaling on his skill. He can't do anything other than attack once or twice per round if he locks onto someone that doesn't really fucking Pursuit (like Zhang Liao) and even if they did pursuit, they will probably deal more damage in one hit than he will do throughout the entire fight.
Oh, and for the tier list celebrating the release of Hou Yi
Zhang He is surprisingly resilient with him being able to chip away at the 10 attacks needed to make Nuwa's shield go poof
Wukong has once again beaten the fraud allegations by simply bonking everyone with a big stick, this time with the help of his friend, the Pangu
Speaking of Pangu, he's still in contender for most impact in a fight by literally warping the entire meta around him. You HAVE to consider him the biggest threat on any team or else you are gonna lose.
Other damage dealers are once again showing what they are capable of with the help of everyone's favorite Wukong Strategem. Demon Zhao Yun, once again, dominates the landscape with his ability to sneakily kill someone that's been HP swapped by the local flying metallic whale thingy
Oh and I do not want to repeat this every time I do one of these tier lists but the list is mostly aimed at whales and heavy spenders. Yes f2p and lower spenders can absolutely follow the list but it might not work how you think it would
Usually I won't be doing much tier list adjustment between the release of one character and another, unless something horrifyingly broken is unleashed (think... Empyrean Dragon and Undefeated Strategem). This week is the arrival of the Auspicious Qilin, who we will call "Broken Piece of Shit" for short, that warrant I mess up the tier list once more
For those unaware, this is the Divine Soul of the newest kid in the hood
The effects of the Qilin can trigger up to 5 times per turn, granting you some INSANE skill damage reduction, and even complete skill immunity at Divine Soul 5
This creates an... interesting dynamic where you want to make sure your characters don't step on each other's toes by accident
So for the latest Fabled character, Nezha, he is quite difficult to rank since unlike everyone before him, his peak and his worst are MILES apart, making it almost impossible to place him in a tier list without raising a lot of questions and controversies
Therefore, I have decided it is best to hold off on ranking him until I can understand what the heck is going on with his INSANELY SHITTY Martial Soul
This will be the order of business until more people get Heroic Souls upgraded. As expected, the big three game-changer are all up on top as being meta-defining. Nezha is very close behind but sadly the current meta (playerbase) all have Zhulong and other form of anti-pursuit to ward him off effectively
This week's Tier list is interesting since not much has changed for the top tiers (what did you expect??) but quite a bit changed for those looking to maximize their usage of less popular characters
Ninetails, the latest addition to the ever growing nightmare that is the Fabled series is not a contender for top tier by any means. She simply tries to do too many things and unsurprisingly excels at none of them. Looking to CC? Ninetails has NO GUARANTEED control effects. Looking to buff your team? Her buffs are related to her control effect because fuck you!
However, Ninetails is still not bad despite all of those drawbacks for 1 simple reason: she actually deals damage, especially to shielded people
There are multiple ways to use Ninetails but ALL of them requires her to get hit. So despite her flashy kit, design, and appearance, she is simply an improved version of Demon Huang Zhong
In addition, Pangu and the latest Empyrean Dragon strategem also makes her charm LESS valuable. Not useless! Just less valuable
Overall, she outranks Demon Huang Zhong by quite a bit and pushes him from a Letter tier into being a cheese pick
Now, moving on to more predictable outcomes: the latest 2 strategems finally made it possible for people to consider not running a dedicated rage engine (Zhuge Liang, IMT Zhuge Liang, or Qiongqi). This doesn't really affect IMT Zhuge Liang since he has a lot more nonsense to dish out than just making everyone angy but it sure made sure that Zhuge Liang see way less usage, even for team 2
Similarly, the ever increasing usage of Nezha has finally pushed Zhang He out of his niche as a Nuwa and Empyrean Dragon check. And for that, they are both relegated to the very bottom of S tier